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There's plenty of evidence that the rate of gun deaths is significantly higher in the US than other countries, that gun control is

Posted by: RogerMore on Dec 18, 08:34 in response to websch01ar's post I'm not ignoring it. I'm waiting on proof. All you have...

looser in the US than other countries and that the level of gun ownership is higher in the US than other countries.  I realise that correlation is not causation, but the link seems pretty obvious - so obvious that the burden of proof should really be on those denying the link.

I provided a bunch of info on the trade off between gun control and gun deaths in another thread below, but if you're looking for academic evidence, there were several studies done on the stricter gun controls introduced in Australia in the 1990s that are linked here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/08/02/did-gun-control-work-in-australia/

Gun control being a contentious issue, there's plenty of academic debate about what the statistics and data mean, and that discussion is also included.

You should also check out this op-ed written after the Aurora shootings by the (conservative) Australian prime minister who brought in gun control legislation immediately after the Port Arthur shootings there.  But I'll highlight this quote:

"in the 18 years prior to the 1996 Australian laws, there were 13 gun massacres (four or more fatalities) in Australia, resulting in 102 deaths. There have been none in that category since the Port Arthur laws."

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/brothers-in-arms-yes-but-the-us-needs-to-get-rid-of-its-guns-20120731-23ct7.html

American Stupidity - Connecticut Shooting - 'If Only Someone Had A Gun'. Cognitive Dissidence & HUFFPOST Links. RotoHockeyYTD2012 Dec 17, 05:01

I'm willing to consider legislation to limit the acquisition of weaponry that will fire 3 rounds per batch down the road. websch01ar Dec 17, 05:35

I think allowing passions, reasoned passions, to dictate our future is a winning strategy. Blinded passions, passions that are not backed by Paul2k Dec 17, 06:11

Pls note I am not saying to leverage our convictions when making decisions. Rather, it seems folly to rush to make changes just to have websch01ar Dec 17, 07:13

Err...NOT TO Leverage....I encourage people to get involved and take some ownership of a given issue. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 07:21

I think it's more correct to say "American voters do not want the measures of gun control that would be necessary to prevent something like RogerMore Dec 17, 08:36

Mexico has more restrictive gun control laws than the U.S....hardly a testament to safety in that country. websch01ar Dec 17, 09:45

RM is correct when he says "there are a range of other factors that also have an impact - poverty, crime, culture, drugs, mental health, Moviesnob Dec 17, 10:11

I think that's an apples and oranges comparison - Mexico has far lower income levels, weaker institutions, criminals fighting over control RogerMore Dec 17, 10:21

This focus on controlling guns is our attempt to understand and control a situation. It makes us feel better that we have responded. {nm} websch01ar Dec 17, 12:44

thats your opinion. I see it as preventive. Its not like gun control debate just started as a reaction to this (or any) criminal act {nm} Moviesnob Dec 17, 12:49

Gun Control creeps up whenever there is mass life loss like this. To disagree with this notion does a disservice to the topic. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 07:26

of course it does, but that doesnt mean the debate goes away between acts of mass killings. if you aren't aware of it, then you aren't Moviesnob Dec 18, 10:23

The point is that gun control is not just about "feeling better". It has clear benefits, in the form of fewer gun deaths, as shown in RogerMore Dec 17, 14:21

I'm not ignoring it. I'm waiting on proof. All you have offered thus far is your opinion. websch01ar Dec 18, 07:23

There's plenty of evidence that the rate of gun deaths is significantly higher in the US than other countries, that gun control is RogerMore Dec 18, 08:34

Controlling guns should be our attempt to protect lives, the same way the Government controls car safety, food safety, drug safety...etc. {nm} Antibody Dec 17, 16:17

There already is gun control legislation. We should work on fixing the implementation of it rather than giving the administration as pass websch01ar Dec 18, 07:25

A complete ban on assault rifles would have prevented higher death toll. {nm} Antibody Dec 18, 09:48

A safe assumption, but who knows the lengths the deranged will go to. {nm} websch01ar Dec 18, 11:24





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