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Wow. That was some of the hardest, fastest flipping I've seen. {nm} Paul2k May 08, 01:14

What about the Sunday adjust #? Does that ever get modified to reflect the actual? berndog62 May 07, 16:28

after the opening weekend adjust (based on ERC Sunday estimates), the stock is moved by market forces until delist {nm} lapuckfan May 07, 16:33

I've never seen a bigger difference between the adjust and the actual. berndog62 May 07, 16:45

No, once the adjust is made, it's done, unless there was a typo/gross error. Actual gross is used for the .OW cashout {nm} arf May 07, 20:24

Do AVENGERS weekend actuals {nm} berndog62 May 07, 14:14

Do the AVENGER derivatives cash outs at Monday's actuals or Sunday's estimate? berndog62 May 07, 14:19

Actuals {nm} slappydavid May 07, 14:35

Actuals. Sometimes you make a bit more with the .OW, sometimes you lose a bit, it's mostly a wash, if not more for the players. {nm} arf May 07, 15:34

Only once did I play the OW warrant AND call it right at the same time I called the opener correctly. Once. So sad....... {nm} Dave3626 May 07, 16:17

Hello Dave3626....who were you before you were you? :-) {nm} Pandorawc May 07, 17:31

I need another cup of coffee before I can answer a question that existential. You know, the best part of waking up is hardly Dave3626 May 08, 08:15

It was more interesting when the stock halted on Friday night, before the .OW was added, WAY more interesting weekend. {nm} arf May 07, 20:25

I agree with you. On the other hand, it's easier now to make money and I like that. {nm} Dave3626 May 08, 08:17

Interesting thought about HSX: BorderLand May 07, 14:09

Imagine what will happen when AVNGR delists. The index would collapse :) RogerMore May 07, 14:29

Will take a look at that, never thought of that, Thanks... {nm} BorderLand May 07, 14:33

AVNGR is one out of how many hundreds of active movie stocks? I don't think it would have that big an effect on an average. {nm} DTravel May 07, 16:39

The DOW and similar indexes simply give an average of x businesses stock values. SBOs would work, but movies delist. {nm} arf May 07, 21:57

What stocks would you include in this index? petz May 09, 02:56

Yeah, it's a tad bit different than.. BorderLand May 09, 11:24

Break it down by phase - All Released Movies Avg, All Movies With a Release Date; All Movies in Production Vice Principal DTravel May 11, 09:30

If BOMojo says one thing and the HSX says another (for movie sales), Which is the one they adjust to on the delist? {nm} Ryan_Stewart May 07, 13:55

HSX uses ERC numbers alfpaulytd2012 May 07, 14:01

Too bad. I really like the way BOMojo lists the day to day earnings. Does ERC do that? I'm perusing their site now {nm} Ryan_Stewart May 07, 14:09

Honestly don't remember alfpaulytd2012 May 07, 14:14

(Ryan quickly closing his ERC window...) {nm} Ryan_Stewart May 07, 14:22

Why hasn't Avengers stock moved today? 121Jigowatts May 07, 07:37

nvm, I see others in the movies forum have posted about the same issue since very early this morning. Apparently we're still waiting. {nm} 121Jigowatts May 07, 07:41

How much do you personally think it will drop or climb? {nm} Kewlleo May 07, 08:13

I'd say today minus 20, delist around 450. {nm} 121Jigowatts May 07, 09:18

GOAL FOR TODAY: hope to finish the day in the "GREEN" after OW adjust!! DASavage May 07, 06:56

It's been a bullish day; I'm sure you'll make green {nm} Ryan_Stewart May 07, 13:54

good looking out!! up$11.3 millions b4 adjusts. good luck all. {nm} DASavage May 07, 15:52

An interesting thought/question about call/put Kewlleo May 07, 05:10

almost did it for avengers. IRL options traders call it a 'straddle'. Good for when a big move is coming. {nm} jwammo May 07, 06:01

I do both call and put on most every movie. $20k is cheap "at least I didn't get totally screwed" insurance. :) {nm} arf May 07, 09:15

Congrats to mrbinns on (I believe) breaking 22mil+ made in a day yesterday. Do you know what your final tally was? Anyone top it? {nm} Paul2k May 07, 02:02

That's a good way to make my best day ever look like crap... :) Well done mrbinns, definitily one of the best! {nm} slappydavid May 07, 04:58

Not me - and yesterday was my second-best day ever. Congrats mrbinns. {nm} Roger More May 07, 06:17

I was over 19 b4 flipping! H$18,469,942 (1.12%)...hats off to mrbinns {nm} DASavage May 07, 06:47

when I went to bed last night me, you and binns were neck and neck at $21mill RazorHawk May 07, 09:16

Dear lord. What was the driving force for that momentous day? {nm} Paul2k May 07, 09:19

Is there still no-commission days? When? {nm} ABbond May 06, 13:02

sorry, none. commission free ended maybe 1 1/2 years ago, there abouts islander May 06, 13:11

quick primer of changes since you played RazorHawk May 06, 13:21

Stocks below $2 the commission is a minimum $0.02 per share. {nm} DTravel May 06, 13:24

I felt relieved and sad to see them go, it's more even now without crazy stock movements each week. {nm} arf May 06, 13:19

Nice to see your post. Hope all is well. Lots of little bonds? {nm} Buy StarBond Fund 18 May 06, 15:01

welcome back; I miss your old site {nm} daveart May 07, 08:57

** This post has been removed by the forum moderator! ** elchan May 06, 11:11

Stop tagging threads that have nothing to do with DRKSH please {nm} arf May 06, 12:50

IPO sudden change lagunacat May 06, 08:56

forgot to add... lagunacat May 06, 09:01

That's just the way IPOs have played since they switched to the current method a year and a half ago. Plenty of grief has been written about Paul2k May 06, 09:07

Once people recognized it as a "pattern", it kinda became a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts- the IPO bounce. Paul2k May 06, 09:10

Thanks for your reply, lagunacat May 06, 09:44

That would be price manipulation. HSX has measures in place to spot it, and severely punishes anyone caught doing it. {nm} Dave3626 May 06, 10:40

Not really manipulation. People made some cash on the IPO and sell, others see it going down and sell as well, -more- arf May 06, 13:22

The way he phrased it made it sound like he was wondering if there was a group coordinating trades, which is manipulation. Dave3626 May 06, 13:40

Exactly lagunacat May 06, 16:22

What I've been wondering about Dave3626 May 06, 17:28

We are ALL in on it. Admit it, when you see a stock jumping, you get in, same for one falling, you also flip if the stock flips, it's HSX. {nm} arf May 06, 20:02

Yeah, that'd work, but you'd need a dozen people, and if the same 10 or so are found to "start" the moves, it's over. Finding them is -more arf May 06, 20:08

just curious {nm} shortit May 05, 14:11

How to become a billionaire... elchan May 05, 14:08

Not a billionaire, but I'll share... slappydavid May 05, 15:16

dont hold too much that you cant dump quickly if its leaking money.always adapt watch the day traders learn from them {nm} swordfish1 May 05, 15:47

Yes, I'm never afraid to dump a dog. {nm} elchan May 05, 16:17

Just like real life. Bonds are good to maintain your portfolio. elchan May 05, 15:58

For the starbonds, if you understand how they work/adjust, at least play the ones with good returns on the day before they halt and adjust. Paul2k May 05, 16:06

What is the formula for a starbond adjust, and how often does that happen? {nm} elchan May 05, 16:14

Answers to your starbond questions are in the HSX FAQ (link inside) Dave3626 May 05, 19:07

Join a PVL League, Rocket has instructions posted in each one on how to grow quick. Most is keeping up with news, not following others move {nm} arf May 05, 22:20

ment watch day trading stocks as they will settle after days thats when you make the money {nm} swordfish1 May 06, 01:56

Follow and trade on news posted on the Movies board, and divest when they stop moving. Earn and churn. RogerMore May 06, 09:58

When is it a good idea to keep a movie stock after it's opening weekend? rtbgamer76 May 05, 08:44

It's often a good idea to keep a moviestock after its OW. Most of the times, its best to keep it short. Sometimes, its good to keep it long. Paul2k May 05, 09:08

And, kid movies during summer or Christmas, mostly post-adjust long. Horror movies, almost always post-adjust short. {nm} edzep - Port Monkey! May 05, 10:39

IMO, if you think there's more up side. elchan May 05, 12:44

Help me understand the calculation for a OW price move {nm} jtempkin May 03, 03:22

how can it have more short than long but only move 1%? jtempkin May 03, 03:23

Just because players buy or short any security, does not mean the movement price goes up or down every time... Flash May 03, 07:01

If somebody buys 100k long at the same time somebody buys 100k short, it doesn't change, buying short changes stk less than long IME. {nm} arf May 03, 07:44

That would make sense, since you're technically "borrowing" it, selling it at market price and buying it back later for less. {nm} Dave3626 May 03, 10:27

I think that is how it's "virtually" done on HSx, IPO stocks remaining don't count shorted shares -good (IMO) explanation inside- arf May 03, 10:44

Also, HSX might have their own secret-sauce version of an uptick rule in place to keep the shorts from exerting too much downward pressure. {nm} Dave3626 May 03, 12:30

shorting a stock actually increases the supply, as you are selling stock that you dont own....but my question... {nm} jtempkin May 03, 17:33

I guess I do not understand your question, then. {nm} arf May 04, 19:27

In real markets, shorting helps to stabilize the stock price. elchan May 05, 12:58

Regarding your IM Dave3626 May 06, 13:50

Congratulations to April 2012's Port Value League winners! (results inside) - new contest starts today. PVL Admin May 01, 22:59

Aww, what a way to drop out of the 1.5-2.5B league... :( {nm} accountant_4_Jesus May 02, 16:10

you had a good run... {nm} MisterTony May 03, 14:00

Top gaining funds for April 2012. Congrats to [BONDS] at #1. islander May 01, 16:06

My first full month as a fund manager and I'm #9! Yay! {nm} accountant_4_Jesus May 01, 16:21

I didn't know you managed the Awards fund until I read above post. Well, now I've bought into it, so keep up the good work, ok? Dave3626 May 01, 17:58

LOL, I'll try to. :) accountant_4_Jesus May 02, 16:21

That's what Netflix is for, my Aussie friend. Why buy when you can rent a scratched up DVD that may or may not play? ;-) {nm} Dave3626 May 02, 16:52

I'm not sure we have Netflix here, or if we do, I haven't heard about it. (I must be living in some deep dark cave somewhere lol.) accountant_4_Jesus May 02, 21:34

Nope, no Netflix here. iTunes movie downloads also hideously overpriced. Jane_Citizen May 03, 00:52

Though I joked about the traditional disc rental, they also do streaming to your comp, which is why I'm surprised you don't have it there. Dave3626 May 03, 08:14

Sounds good ;) {nm} accountant_4_Jesus May 03, 16:01

Once we get our national fibre-to-the-node network thingy finished, I'm sure someone will do that. Jane_Citizen May 04, 08:00

Thanks for the compilation! Which ones are orphaned? TRUE hasn't moved much in a while... {nm} arf May 01, 17:08

Thnx. As for orphans, I haven't had time to really look at each managers performance, so islander May 01, 18:16

My wife thanks you, my daughter thanks you, my grandchildren thank you, and I thank you. {nm} Buy StarBond Fund 18 May 01, 20:56

Update: It's HARD being a Horror Fund manager 'round this time of year! Thanks to those who have invested... HorrorFund May 02, 06:44

October.... just remember October.... {nm} RHAWK May 02, 10:08

Yep! :) {nm} Your Boss May 03, 04:29

At least all I can do is go up OriginalFund May 03, 18:46

I think it was Jane_C who told me that the strategy changes as Port size grows. It's an interesting thing, learning new ways to invest. {nm} Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:47

Is there a point (you billionaires) where there's nothing left to learn? {nm} Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:47

Nope. {nm} RogerMore Apr 30, 18:49

Death {nm} Buy StarBond Fund 18 May 01, 08:54

Been playing for 14 years, and still learning all the time. {nm} JohnTEQP May 03, 18:23

learning all the time {nm} swordfish1 May 01, 02:42

Larger ports allow you to play more securities at once. My funnest time so far was going from 90M-135M {nm} arf May 01, 16:11

Bucket List? wtf is that? {nm} Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:14

Actors that have no release movies that counted towards their TAG in the last 3 years. nomyst Apr 30, 18:15

Here is an explanation for you... accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 18:18

The key thing is HSX discretion, so you don't know if/when they will delist. Jane_Citizen Apr 30, 18:29

Sorry that should be reply to the original question {nm} Jane_Citizen Apr 30, 18:29

The pattern to the delists is what I've observed from the past 2 years of delists. accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 18:31

why would you invest in something if it isn't really going to go up or down, necessarily? Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:34

At his TAG price from what I read. Anyone can confirm... {nm} nomyst Apr 30, 18:35

To use JVOIG again as an example... accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 18:38

Okay, now I understand...finally! Thanks. Bucket listers are a product of our own research? Is someone else doing the work for me? {nm} Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:41

RazorHawk has a list on his website of potential Bucket List candidates (per the link that Rocket123 posted below). {nm} accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 18:42

KaiGee site has a list too (link inside) JDolphin Apr 30, 21:30

Here is the pattern of Bucket List delists for the past few years... accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 18:48

The final question is about HSX discretion: what are the probabilities of them actually delisting if they're on the bucket list? Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 19:41

That's something that can't really be answered by us, only DMac knows when the Bucket List delist is scheduled to occur. accountant_4_Jesus Apr 30, 19:58

That's the problem for small ports - you could be holding them for 1 month, 6 months or longer {nm} JDolphin Apr 30, 21:32

THANK YOU For compiling those dates! I've been holding some of them since March! {nm} arf Apr 30, 20:52

One last point...MWEBB will make 1393 total StarBonds on 48 pages. A delisting of a dozen or so will keep us away from Buy StarBond Fund 18 May 01, 09:09

Read RH's explanation. http://www.hsxdude.com/7/post/2012/04/the-bucket-list-april-2012.html {nm} PVL Admin Apr 30, 18:38

Ah good! Someone did the dirty work for me!! {nm} Ryan_Stewart Apr 30, 18:45



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