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Roger, to be honest I have very little argument with your take on this topic other than you put a little more weight on the gap being gender

Posted by: PhoneHome on Jun 30, 12:41 in response to RogerMore's post It’s disingenuous to expand to a 100 year horizon...

based than I do. I concede the 100 years comment. Bring it down to 15 years. Revenue differences are vast for any time period other than the short range they selected. And, they will be again once the men again experience some success. I read in 2 separate articles that the women are paid a salary regardless of games played and the men are not.  It's a nice guarantee, but not substantial. Yes, the men are still paid for games played.

My main argument is with the original post that was not yours. It infers that the US men make 6 times the women based on gender.  They didn't because the men did not experience the same success. If they did, the revenues generated would be astronomically higher. My point is that any inequity that exists is almost, if not all, economics based and not gender based.  If the courts find that 90% is economics and 10% is gender, that's fine, but I'd be shocked if it's more than that.

As to comparing yours and my work to professional athletes, the point is that there are loads of examples of non-equal pay for equal work that are not gender or racially based. Yes, I believe there are invidual examples that bias is a factor, and they should be addressed. A better example than you and I, is NBA D-league as mentioned, but also the Nike golf tour. Same work, same or more dedication, more sacrifices, more risk, but far less pay. Why? Because people buy tickets, buy products, and watch telecasts of Tiger Woods, Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Jordan Spieth, and Phil Mickelson.  They don't for Nike tour tournaments.  Economics, not gender or race. 

It wouldn't bother me a bit if the women's salary goes up.  It wouldn't bother me if the men's compensation came down. And it did.  They didn't get paid $550,000, because they did not duplicate the women's success.

USWNT players have earned $90k in bonuses so far, which would be $550k each if they were men (who have never advanced past QFs since 1930) professor zovek Jun 28, 14:33

Pay gap should be wider. 2018 Men's brought in 45x the revenue. $6BILLION for men. $131million women 2019. Women get 23% of receipts, Men 7% PhoneHome Jun 29, 13:14

The US women’s team brought in slightly more revenue than the US men’s team over 2016-2018. RogerMore Jun 29, 13:58

Jimmy's post was about potential bonuses. Actual men's bonus in 2018 was $0. Salary was $0. If men made the World Cup, revenue w/b far more. PhoneHome Jun 29, 20:55

Men’s salary wasn’t zero, they played 11 games last year. It’s incorrect to say they weren’t paid. RogerMore Jun 29, 22:00

I also have no problem with them seeking more. I watch every minute. To infer that they're paid less because they're women is dead wrong. PhoneHome Jun 30, 04:42

But as WSJ points out they make slightly more in game revenues for US Soccer than the men’s team. So is their product really that much less RogerMore Jun 30, 06:26

The article looks at a small moment in time. It's comparing US women's team is at the top, and men's team at a low. Expand that to 5 years, PhoneHome Jun 30, 08:18

It’s disingenuous to expand to a 100 year horizon when the women’s team has only been playing for ~35 years. RogerMore Jun 30, 09:30

Roger, to be honest I have very little argument with your take on this topic other than you put a little more weight on the gap being gender PhoneHome Jun 30, 12:41

Fair enough - but I don’t think the article beyond the headline, or the Guardian source article, (pro HSX tip - always click through to the RogerMore Jul 01, 07:52

Why are there not coed teams? I truly don't understand why professional sports do not have mixed teams {nm} Nobody Jun 29, 19:50

really? You haven't noticed that men are physically bigger, stronger, and faster? In what sport could they compete equally?..... Buy BONDS 31 Jun 30, 06:18

Mixed doubles Tennis. {nm} Antibody Jun 30, 10:11





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